Immi_Chant
07-23 10:08 PM
Both were EB2 from the same company. PD on one was Oct/2006 and the other was Feb/2002.
Sanbaj,
Congrats for the GC !!!
You mentioned that both of your cases are under EB2, correct? Normally people will do interfile (PD Amendment) from one category to another, like EB3 to EB2.
Can you please share why you ported in the same category? Or because of some other reason?
-Immi_Chant
Sanbaj,
Congrats for the GC !!!
You mentioned that both of your cases are under EB2, correct? Normally people will do interfile (PD Amendment) from one category to another, like EB3 to EB2.
Can you please share why you ported in the same category? Or because of some other reason?
-Immi_Chant
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nrk
10-27 09:54 AM
Hi I just talked to customer service representative, she said that It is either due to a security check or Department of Homeland security trying out different exercises before approving the case. So Please wait for some more time and give a check. when the applications went to security check, the similar kind of response you will get. If your case falls under a specific section we will put the section in that.
If you need more information or you are worried please take an info pass otherwise please check back with us later.
If you need more information or you are worried please take an info pass otherwise please check back with us later.
go_guy123
01-04 07:01 PM
A freind of mine came across a gentleman, who is here on work visa and he is facing a unique problem. He is married to two persons and wants to bring his whole family here in the USA. He was looking for answer if he can get both his spouses and kids here on H4 visas. Currently both of them and his kids are in India. Interesting hmmm :D
I am curious to know with whom he spends the night with...only that one is eligible to come on H4.
Damm...my imagination is running wild.
I am curious to know with whom he spends the night with...only that one is eligible to come on H4.
Damm...my imagination is running wild.
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JunRN
07-17 02:07 AM
I just don't like the tone of after getting work with a valid permit, then suddenly, one turns against those who are applying for work permit for the fear that they may take his job.
The anti-immigrants also fear that the immigrants are taking their jobs or lowering their wages atleast.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but that's what I think and just my opinion.
The anti-immigrants also fear that the immigrants are taking their jobs or lowering their wages atleast.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but that's what I think and just my opinion.
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desi485
01-04 03:12 PM
Maybe he can come under asylum or refugee status; after all he also probably has two mother-in-laws there and that should qualify. One is bad enough, but TWO?
Its hard to maintain such a situation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205968/), he will have to make a call and decide on a winner (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207341/).
two mother in laws???
He might have 4. (extending logic that his father in laws also had two wives) :)
Its hard to maintain such a situation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205968/), he will have to make a call and decide on a winner (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207341/).
two mother in laws???
He might have 4. (extending logic that his father in laws also had two wives) :)
inthehole
08-27 09:43 AM
SC: Nebraska
Renewal
RD: 06/16
FP: 07/11
RFE 07/30
RFE received 08/04
RFE response sent and received by uscis 08/07
Expedite request 08/15
Expedite request accepted 08/19
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Current EAD expires Sep 26
Renewal
RD: 06/16
FP: 07/11
RFE 07/30
RFE received 08/04
RFE response sent and received by uscis 08/07
Expedite request 08/15
Expedite request accepted 08/19
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Current EAD expires Sep 26
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GCNirvana007
03-26 03:43 PM
:rolleyes:
Went for DL renewal , nothing asked literally, extended for 6 yrs.
Got to find some positive out of living :p
Went for DL renewal , nothing asked literally, extended for 6 yrs.
Got to find some positive out of living :p
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willwin
06-05 11:44 AM
That post was intended towards EB3 category, particularly EB3-India. Ever since starting of this Fiscal Year there are very few EB3-India approvals (Can anybody dispute that?). So how come USCIS used up all the visas already?? Most of the guys here always talk about EB2-India which is not highly effected category in the first place. We suppose to be taking care of effected categories.
I have a friend of mine with PD July 2001 (EB3 Ind) with NC cleared. His GC is not cleared despite his date being current for few months now.
Who is saying USCIS is doing diligence? If they were, dates cannot move forward so much for EB2 Ind and EB3 ROW.
I have a friend of mine with PD July 2001 (EB3 Ind) with NC cleared. His GC is not cleared despite his date being current for few months now.
Who is saying USCIS is doing diligence? If they were, dates cannot move forward so much for EB2 Ind and EB3 ROW.
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mrane1
10-15 06:42 AM
Thats true..everybody are bothered about EAD and FP. I am here for more than 8 years in this country. IV should emphasise this and USICS should allow affected candidates like us to file I-485 and atleast get EAD. we have priority date earlier compared to others.
Hey thats not fair... everyone has their own problems and they are discussing... It was your luck... thats all... If you had gotten a chance to file 485 you too would be discussing about EAD and AP... I came to US in 95.., filed my first Labor in 2000... got laid off in 01... started my labor process with 2nd company... the company shut down!! filed 3rd labor in 2003... All this time the 485 was current all the way till sept 30th 2005... But I was stuck in PBEC... Labor cleared 1 week after retrogression in 2005! Finally filed in June 07... got GC 3 days after finger printing! thats life... you just do what you have to do and move on!
Hey thats not fair... everyone has their own problems and they are discussing... It was your luck... thats all... If you had gotten a chance to file 485 you too would be discussing about EAD and AP... I came to US in 95.., filed my first Labor in 2000... got laid off in 01... started my labor process with 2nd company... the company shut down!! filed 3rd labor in 2003... All this time the 485 was current all the way till sept 30th 2005... But I was stuck in PBEC... Labor cleared 1 week after retrogression in 2005! Finally filed in June 07... got GC 3 days after finger printing! thats life... you just do what you have to do and move on!
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05-26 10:35 AM
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04-24 11:40 AM
I would say another problem is getting the H1 stamped. Ever since they got rid of getting the H1 stamped within US we have to go out of the country to get it stamped and you never know how much time it is going to take. Now due to PIMS delays some people are getting stuck for more than a month and no one can afford such long holidays .
On top of that if you are going out of the country then there are airline tickets and stamping fee etc etc which also comes in 1000's of dollars.
On top of that if you are going out of the country then there are airline tickets and stamping fee etc etc which also comes in 1000's of dollars.
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ronhira
07-21 10:28 PM
mike – what about some of the corporation r not american corp.
donna – it doesn’t matter. ha ha
mike – indian corporation is hiring indians,
donna – that’s right, but doesn’t matter where they come from, we have to tell that they r taking away from
what will happen is that they will cease to exist. tata has not applied for 1 h1b.
kevin – they get people on company2company transfer
donna – because durbin bill hit the nerve, that essentially, h1b is dead in water, now l1 is being scrutinized by uscis, so actually, these cos have to hire locally
we have to laying down tracks for – that the bypass of us citizens and gc holder creates the culture of exploitation – this is our version of best & brightest.
if you look at our opposition – best & brightest, remain competitive, so this is, i think we have really strong chance to stay on message. democrats are articulate but can’t stay on the message, but we can. i meant it people.
btw, compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days from durbin bill. durbin bill not allow h1b on client site, so have to place americans on 3rd party cites, and 30 days to post a job on dol site for us. it’s the academic arena will choke, and there will be so many jobs for us in academic arena.
kevin –schumer idiot thinks rich people wall street but we in it cannot make more than 40,000.
barbara – someone will say 30 days – that will stop our mission critical project
donna – no it won’t happen compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days, because we were able to fight back, and we r in a strong position. we have to push for our agenda to strengthen our position.
kevin – on durbin bill, who will testify in the committee hearing
donna – nobody knows
kevin – the message is fragmented, donna the first one to say, get on to the message
donna – the players and politicos, who will talk about this, there is a big group who called me last week,
barbara – yes, we r fertilizing the soil.
donna - there is a republican who wrote this book – who said – its not what we say its what they hear. when we say after labor day – we are fighting for our right to compete for the jobs – the unions around the country will go wow, say anything that we have to defeat them.
kevin – we put this on internet it will stay forever and people will see it.
donna – someone in dean campaign, is interested in helping us
kevin – we have to get sound bites on the news, mostly its ron hira or kim berry
mike – one can
donna – a large organization will put me in 1 of the hearing. let’s guarantee that, by showing our level of sophistication. so target h1b only wants ads, companies are recruiting abroad for american jobs.
have to checkout now, have to head out, thanks everyone, bye guys.
if we play our cards right, we maybe able to get our contingent for the hearing. well great, i’ll do it next september.
alright bye bye.
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waste of my 1 hour, will not my time ever on these losers, now i know why they can't keep the job that they have, and why they can't find a new job.....
donna – it doesn’t matter. ha ha
mike – indian corporation is hiring indians,
donna – that’s right, but doesn’t matter where they come from, we have to tell that they r taking away from
what will happen is that they will cease to exist. tata has not applied for 1 h1b.
kevin – they get people on company2company transfer
donna – because durbin bill hit the nerve, that essentially, h1b is dead in water, now l1 is being scrutinized by uscis, so actually, these cos have to hire locally
we have to laying down tracks for – that the bypass of us citizens and gc holder creates the culture of exploitation – this is our version of best & brightest.
if you look at our opposition – best & brightest, remain competitive, so this is, i think we have really strong chance to stay on message. democrats are articulate but can’t stay on the message, but we can. i meant it people.
btw, compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days from durbin bill. durbin bill not allow h1b on client site, so have to place americans on 3rd party cites, and 30 days to post a job on dol site for us. it’s the academic arena will choke, and there will be so many jobs for us in academic arena.
kevin –schumer idiot thinks rich people wall street but we in it cannot make more than 40,000.
barbara – someone will say 30 days – that will stop our mission critical project
donna – no it won’t happen compete america, gave up on job posting for 30 days, because we were able to fight back, and we r in a strong position. we have to push for our agenda to strengthen our position.
kevin – on durbin bill, who will testify in the committee hearing
donna – nobody knows
kevin – the message is fragmented, donna the first one to say, get on to the message
donna – the players and politicos, who will talk about this, there is a big group who called me last week,
barbara – yes, we r fertilizing the soil.
donna - there is a republican who wrote this book – who said – its not what we say its what they hear. when we say after labor day – we are fighting for our right to compete for the jobs – the unions around the country will go wow, say anything that we have to defeat them.
kevin – we put this on internet it will stay forever and people will see it.
donna – someone in dean campaign, is interested in helping us
kevin – we have to get sound bites on the news, mostly its ron hira or kim berry
mike – one can
donna – a large organization will put me in 1 of the hearing. let’s guarantee that, by showing our level of sophistication. so target h1b only wants ads, companies are recruiting abroad for american jobs.
have to checkout now, have to head out, thanks everyone, bye guys.
if we play our cards right, we maybe able to get our contingent for the hearing. well great, i’ll do it next september.
alright bye bye.
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waste of my 1 hour, will not my time ever on these losers, now i know why they can't keep the job that they have, and why they can't find a new job.....
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kew888
05-25 09:15 PM
I agree with Communique some parts.
I had been lived in Toronto for last 4 years.
Frankly speaking, Toronto is a very good city. I feel it probably can match up with Chicago, or 50% of NYC.
Multi-culture is even more obvious than in NYC.
But keep in mind that there are less high buildings than some super citys like NYC.
When talking about job opportunity, it is better to compare city with city, not country with country because actually once you settled down in one place, you probably can not go hunting jobs in another side of country.
So, the job opportunity # in GTA (Great Toronto Area) is about 75% of Chicago or 1/3 of NYC.
Many people told stories about immigrants can not find job in Canada. That is not true. The truth is that most of immigrants go from USA get job within half year even in 2001. I admit that some immigrants go direct from their homeland do have hard time to get job in Canada because of lacking English communication ability and North America work experience. For people who have been worked in USA for some time, finding a job in Canada is almost guaranteed.
The thing I don't like in Canada is that the workload is light and business is quite slow. So many lazy colleagues and from time to time union threaten to strike (for raise salary). Lots of our taxes are wasted for this huge government's unnecessary spending.
As of discrimination, I don't think there is too much. I feel there is some, but not very obvious. Part of the reason I think is because lots of immigrants actually live better than average traditional Canadian. It is true that many local teenth only finish high school and enjoy work as labor. You could say that is jealous.
Good Luck & enjoy life in Canada.
I had been lived in Toronto for last 4 years.
Frankly speaking, Toronto is a very good city. I feel it probably can match up with Chicago, or 50% of NYC.
Multi-culture is even more obvious than in NYC.
But keep in mind that there are less high buildings than some super citys like NYC.
When talking about job opportunity, it is better to compare city with city, not country with country because actually once you settled down in one place, you probably can not go hunting jobs in another side of country.
So, the job opportunity # in GTA (Great Toronto Area) is about 75% of Chicago or 1/3 of NYC.
Many people told stories about immigrants can not find job in Canada. That is not true. The truth is that most of immigrants go from USA get job within half year even in 2001. I admit that some immigrants go direct from their homeland do have hard time to get job in Canada because of lacking English communication ability and North America work experience. For people who have been worked in USA for some time, finding a job in Canada is almost guaranteed.
The thing I don't like in Canada is that the workload is light and business is quite slow. So many lazy colleagues and from time to time union threaten to strike (for raise salary). Lots of our taxes are wasted for this huge government's unnecessary spending.
As of discrimination, I don't think there is too much. I feel there is some, but not very obvious. Part of the reason I think is because lots of immigrants actually live better than average traditional Canadian. It is true that many local teenth only finish high school and enjoy work as labor. You could say that is jealous.
Good Luck & enjoy life in Canada.
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hotammo
01-12 10:09 AM
Hi Shamu,
A colleague/friend of mine and his wife decided to have a home delivery. So, they contacted this nurse practitioner/midwife, who used to come to his home once a month and do all the stuff that goes along with pregnancy. They also delivered the baby at his home, which took off all the expense that are associated with a hospital delivery and I'm pretty sure the entire cost for the 9 month term was <5K (actually around 2-3K).
But I believe that was possible because it was a normal delivery with no complications.
So, if you and your wife are in the same situation as most of the people here (i.e. late 20's or early to mid 30's ) there is no reason why you would not have a normal uncomplicated delivery. So having a home delivery is an option.
I am a father of a 15 month old and felt that most of the months that we went to visit the doctor was pretty superficial. They did not tell us anything which you cannot find out from the internet or the maternity books. Who delivered my daughter in the hospital? Well a nurse did.
Also in India my wife told me that most often women don't go to the doctor unless there are issues. (For the period leading up to the delivery. For delivery they go to the doctor.)
So, for uncomplicated deliveries a home delivery could be an option, just check it out and the nurse practitioners (OBGYN variety)/midwives are fully qualified and sometimes more experienced than the doctors as that is ALL they do, they deliver babies.
So check this option if you feel it is OK.
Good luck with your insurance search.
P.S.: Also you seem a little stressed out.
Buddy enjoy this time, you are going to be a father. :-)
A colleague/friend of mine and his wife decided to have a home delivery. So, they contacted this nurse practitioner/midwife, who used to come to his home once a month and do all the stuff that goes along with pregnancy. They also delivered the baby at his home, which took off all the expense that are associated with a hospital delivery and I'm pretty sure the entire cost for the 9 month term was <5K (actually around 2-3K).
But I believe that was possible because it was a normal delivery with no complications.
So, if you and your wife are in the same situation as most of the people here (i.e. late 20's or early to mid 30's ) there is no reason why you would not have a normal uncomplicated delivery. So having a home delivery is an option.
I am a father of a 15 month old and felt that most of the months that we went to visit the doctor was pretty superficial. They did not tell us anything which you cannot find out from the internet or the maternity books. Who delivered my daughter in the hospital? Well a nurse did.
Also in India my wife told me that most often women don't go to the doctor unless there are issues. (For the period leading up to the delivery. For delivery they go to the doctor.)
So, for uncomplicated deliveries a home delivery could be an option, just check it out and the nurse practitioners (OBGYN variety)/midwives are fully qualified and sometimes more experienced than the doctors as that is ALL they do, they deliver babies.
So check this option if you feel it is OK.
Good luck with your insurance search.
P.S.: Also you seem a little stressed out.
Buddy enjoy this time, you are going to be a father. :-)
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jonty_11
06-04 06:25 PM
only reason USCIS can afford to do it is becoz they are not accountable (As we are not a vote bank)...
But with IV on our side, we can make them streamline their procedures and work efficiently - whcih has never been a priority.
But with IV on our side, we can make them streamline their procedures and work efficiently - whcih has never been a priority.
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desigirl
01-28 12:02 PM
Immigration fraud: Indian consulate comes to rescue duped students in US - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/services/travel/visa-power/immigration-fraud-indian-consulate-comes-to-rescue-duped-students-in-us/articleshow/7375819.cms)
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perm2gc
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Does USCIS provide any clear documentation regarding the Visa Allocations?
texanguy
06-17 11:07 AM
This is by far the best action item i have seen so far (because it feels like it can be done by administrative change). I Support it 100% .
A REQUEST TO IV CORE:
Please start a letter campaign: I have been long trying to figure out who exactly is the decision maker for this policy. It would be a great help if we all know where to send the letters and who should we address to...
A REQUEST TO IV CORE:
Please start a letter campaign: I have been long trying to figure out who exactly is the decision maker for this policy. It would be a great help if we all know where to send the letters and who should we address to...
realizeit
02-11 11:53 PM
Mr MPADAPA,
I know you have spent some time analyzing the whole stuff and came with your conclusions. At the end, if someone says that the crux of your conclusions are wrong, for an emotional person, it would be tough to take. A rational person would take it lightly and think before responding. In your immediate previous reply, you just cherry picked a quote from my previous reply and put that as my interpretation. Please do not put words into my mouth. My reply has been pasted below in its entirety.
You have campared the paragraph with NumbersUSA argument etc. Dear friend, my argument was exactly opposite to that paragraph. I think, you didn't get the meaning of the paragraph itself. My paragraph contained phrases like "If your argument is correct..", ". If the unused can be given to ..". etc, which makes the argument exactly opposite to what mentioned there. So, that means I believe exactly opposite to those arguments.
I acknowledge that you have every right to interpret the law in whichever way you want. My point is that, it really doesn't matter to all of the folks who applied in EB2 and waiting for GC. The thing that really matters is the way in which USCIS acts this year. They can act in whatever way they want. This year, if they say, there won't be any family visa wastage, we will get nothing. Contrary to that, if they see that by the end of the year there is a chance for 15K family vis wastage, they may allocate that to employment category.
To all EB2 folks out there: No need to really feel bad or happy about the analysis of Mr. MPADAPA.
My general advice to anyone who put forward an argument for propaganda and a campaign is: Don't massage the facts, don't twist the facts, don't over analyze, don't under analyze, Also don't say that your interpretation is the final verdict. Because, even if we can analyze all the immigration related laws in the whole Federal register, we may not be able to come to a final conclusion....!! Why? Because you don't have a clue what is in the field manual and internal memos of the USCIS and you don't know how they procedurely allocate spill over etc on each year. As long as USCIS and DOS can use the terms "In Anticipation..", "As per our expectations..", no one will be able to hold them accountable for the visa wastage.
MPADAPA..you may continue your argument/discussions, if you think this is a moot point. But I don't believe so.
If you can prove your initial basic argument with complete facts and details, I will openly declare, I am wrong! Your original argument was "Since the family category used up all Visa numbers in 2008, in 2009 EB2 cannot expect any spill over from Family category and hence we need to expect slow movement....".
Instead of proving the above, you may cherry pick my statements and continue to beat about the bush. I am giving up here my friend.
Good luck :)
realizeit, you just didn't get the unused visa calculation.
By the way your interpretation quoted below is exactly what numbersUSA used to claim that there is no visa available for recapture. And they used that argument to shoot down our recapture bill.
Knowing that PD's aren't going to move forward drastically, we need to start working towards some thing drastic like a bill/amendment. Or we can sit and mull over it and wait until the second week of Aug (when Sep bulletin is announced) to show our frustration.
My complete earlier reply
Still I disagree my friend. I know, law is the law! What I am disagreeing is your interpretation and conclusion.
In reality, towards the end of the Fiscal year, if USCIS/State Dept finds that visas will go unused in one category, they can use the spill over rules. So, if there are some potential unused visas in Family category they can add it to Employment category and vice versa. This will all work in the same year. It will not work or get transferred to a following year. In your initial argument, you said, because all the family visas for 2008 are completely used, we won't get anything from that category as spill over during this year (2009).
If your argument is correct, there won't be any need for recapture laws that we all are working for. If the unused can be given to the next year, no visa will get wasted. USCIS/DOS can just give the unused in family category to Employment category in the following year and vice versa.
In reality that is not the case. Visa number in one year will not flow to the next. So, your original argument is completely wrong. If there is nothing left in family category for the year 2008, that has nothing to do with the expected spill over to Employment category from family category in 2009.
In my opinion, law is complex and snippets of the law from here and there won't will not clarify anything. So, if anyone would like to be optimistic, stay there, to be pessimistic, stay there - this whole argument by MPADAPA is not enough to change your state of mind :) Just my observation!
I know you have spent some time analyzing the whole stuff and came with your conclusions. At the end, if someone says that the crux of your conclusions are wrong, for an emotional person, it would be tough to take. A rational person would take it lightly and think before responding. In your immediate previous reply, you just cherry picked a quote from my previous reply and put that as my interpretation. Please do not put words into my mouth. My reply has been pasted below in its entirety.
You have campared the paragraph with NumbersUSA argument etc. Dear friend, my argument was exactly opposite to that paragraph. I think, you didn't get the meaning of the paragraph itself. My paragraph contained phrases like "If your argument is correct..", ". If the unused can be given to ..". etc, which makes the argument exactly opposite to what mentioned there. So, that means I believe exactly opposite to those arguments.
I acknowledge that you have every right to interpret the law in whichever way you want. My point is that, it really doesn't matter to all of the folks who applied in EB2 and waiting for GC. The thing that really matters is the way in which USCIS acts this year. They can act in whatever way they want. This year, if they say, there won't be any family visa wastage, we will get nothing. Contrary to that, if they see that by the end of the year there is a chance for 15K family vis wastage, they may allocate that to employment category.
To all EB2 folks out there: No need to really feel bad or happy about the analysis of Mr. MPADAPA.
My general advice to anyone who put forward an argument for propaganda and a campaign is: Don't massage the facts, don't twist the facts, don't over analyze, don't under analyze, Also don't say that your interpretation is the final verdict. Because, even if we can analyze all the immigration related laws in the whole Federal register, we may not be able to come to a final conclusion....!! Why? Because you don't have a clue what is in the field manual and internal memos of the USCIS and you don't know how they procedurely allocate spill over etc on each year. As long as USCIS and DOS can use the terms "In Anticipation..", "As per our expectations..", no one will be able to hold them accountable for the visa wastage.
MPADAPA..you may continue your argument/discussions, if you think this is a moot point. But I don't believe so.
If you can prove your initial basic argument with complete facts and details, I will openly declare, I am wrong! Your original argument was "Since the family category used up all Visa numbers in 2008, in 2009 EB2 cannot expect any spill over from Family category and hence we need to expect slow movement....".
Instead of proving the above, you may cherry pick my statements and continue to beat about the bush. I am giving up here my friend.
Good luck :)
realizeit, you just didn't get the unused visa calculation.
By the way your interpretation quoted below is exactly what numbersUSA used to claim that there is no visa available for recapture. And they used that argument to shoot down our recapture bill.
Knowing that PD's aren't going to move forward drastically, we need to start working towards some thing drastic like a bill/amendment. Or we can sit and mull over it and wait until the second week of Aug (when Sep bulletin is announced) to show our frustration.
My complete earlier reply
Still I disagree my friend. I know, law is the law! What I am disagreeing is your interpretation and conclusion.
In reality, towards the end of the Fiscal year, if USCIS/State Dept finds that visas will go unused in one category, they can use the spill over rules. So, if there are some potential unused visas in Family category they can add it to Employment category and vice versa. This will all work in the same year. It will not work or get transferred to a following year. In your initial argument, you said, because all the family visas for 2008 are completely used, we won't get anything from that category as spill over during this year (2009).
If your argument is correct, there won't be any need for recapture laws that we all are working for. If the unused can be given to the next year, no visa will get wasted. USCIS/DOS can just give the unused in family category to Employment category in the following year and vice versa.
In reality that is not the case. Visa number in one year will not flow to the next. So, your original argument is completely wrong. If there is nothing left in family category for the year 2008, that has nothing to do with the expected spill over to Employment category from family category in 2009.
In my opinion, law is complex and snippets of the law from here and there won't will not clarify anything. So, if anyone would like to be optimistic, stay there, to be pessimistic, stay there - this whole argument by MPADAPA is not enough to change your state of mind :) Just my observation!
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