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  • desijackass
    05-21 10:01 AM
    So I read that the amendment for recapture has been removed from the funding bill. Guess we are back to the start again? This really makes me to start hate the fact that we are held as the hostage of illegals

    Is this true? where did you read this? would it be possible to post somemore information. Does this mean we stop calling or we still need to call? I just read this thread and started calling.





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  • tonyHK12
    01-12 04:21 PM
    It is surprising (rather shocking) to see how a discussion on an EB bill (which might never see the light of day anyway) has degenerated into an oft-repeated rant on how IV does not represent EB3.


    What is even more surprising is PlainSpeak is a member from 2006 and doesn't know anything about advocacy and lobbying. Probably because he/she has never been a donor.
    Of course I've seen people who browse other so called immigration/chat forums and pick up wierd ideas and fantasies about lobbying and then post here. Its just mob mentality with un-practical ideas and they think if a mob says its right then maybe it has to be right. yes?
    Then they claim that only they are right (the mob) and we are all wrong and don't know how to do things - strange indeed.

    People can chat, argue all they want on forums, but about 99% of people on public forums know nothing about advocacy.





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  • usirit
    05-27 04:07 PM
    Let's leave the inclusion of the Case # up to the Case Holder. I'll include it, just for your records.
    So, what will be the e-mail address or fax #? And what format are you specifically waiting to receive the data so a uniform document it's compiled.
    ;) Let's close this issue so we can move forward to another one....





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  • ajay
    03-30 06:54 AM
    I am looking for accommodation too.....lemme know if u still have room.

    I see that people are still looking for accommodation....I stay in the NoVA area around 20 miles from DC. I am willing to host people at my home. Please let me know.



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  • sunny1000
    05-19 06:54 PM
    Done calling the congressmen's offices. Left messages for the remaining members of the CHC. Let's keep calling and hope that some thing good comes from the collective effort.
    To all IV members, please keep the phonelines going. Our strength lies in the numbers and the momentum generated by the phone call initiative.

    Thanks for calling.





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  • hello
    04-14 08:26 AM
    Bump
    This is a supporting thread to the "Want to File I-485 without Current Priority Date? Gather here" thread started by pappu.

    As suggested by pappu/starsun, this supporting thread provides impacted members with additional information and tools to help the initiative.

    Visit Immigration Voice Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Employment_Based_Green_Card#Process_.28EB1.2C_EB2. 2C_and_EB3.29) - for overview of Employment Based - Green Card process
    Visit I485 Filing w/o current PD Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date) - for overview of this initiative

    As pappu stated in the first post of the above referenced thread - some of the ongoing efforts include finding how many IV members would get benefit from such a provision and get basic details such as username/Priority Date of impacted members. Future action items might include drafting documents and letters to support this provision. There maybe actions such as sending emails etc. However we would not be able to open a public action item unless we can have thousands of our members willing to participate in a grassroots action item. This survey intends to understand the needs of our membership for this provision and collect grassroots information.

    The fact is we have a dedicated group of volunteers (and we need more) who have been trying their best to spread the message about this initiative so that a strong grass-roots support can be created leading up to launch of the public action items. So far we have around 1100 people who have responded. Based on quick calculations carried out using PERM data, it is estimated that there are at least 60K-70K EB applicants waiting to file I-485/EAD/AP (this is a very conservative estimate..the actual number could be much more). Grass-roots initiatives require time and patience and we request maximum number of impacted folks to participate actively.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    What can you do to participate?
    1) Vote on the poll/survey created by Pappu.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum14-members-forum/1599353-want-to-file-485-when-pd-is-not-current-gather-here.html

    Then please send an email to ivcoordinator@gmail.com (starsun) with subject - "I485 filing without current PD - Impacted Member". Include your a) IV username b) Email address c) Phone #, d) State of Residence e) Priority Date - so that grassroot efforts can be coordinated

    2) Print out below Flier and circulate at all asian/indian malls/groceries/theaters. Forward the flier to your friends/co-workers and ask them to do the same.

    I485 Filing Initiative Flier (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/a/a8/Flier_I485_latest2.pdf)

    3) Volunteers have created a facebook community and an Immigration Voice WIKI page to spread the message about this initiative. Please circulate these links among your friends/co-workers who will be helped.

    Please "Share" and "Link" and "send to friend" the facebook community via your Facebook account. Also include these two links when you post on the IV forum.

    Facebook - IV I485 filing w/o current PD initiative community (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Immigration-Voice-Grass-roots-Campaigns/150562351660693?v=info)

    (Just FYI that you might have to be logged in for the above link to direct to the facebook community. Alternately, search for "Immigration Voice Grass-roots Campaigns" to find the community after logging in. Search "Immigration Voice" to go to the IV's main facebook page)

    Immigration Wiki -
    I485 Filing Initiative - IV Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date)

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    PM these members for additional info:
    nmdial ; geevikram ; vbkris77 ; ashwin_27 ; snathan
    Dedicated members can also join the leaders group: http://groups.google.com/group/485-filing-iv-initiative
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  • vsrinir
    09-28 09:15 AM
    agree..unused Visa # capture.. is the only way...

    Who will help us? How to proceed? When to Start?

    No answers.

    No one will help EB3.

    God only will help.





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  • 2008FebEb2
    04-08 06:01 PM
    Just cooking up stuff classifies as a multi national.I know a guy who is a business analyst on L1 visa got his GC in 6 months time in EB1 category by a well know consulting company stating him as a Manager..The guy was bragging and showing off his white card ,and telling how he got his GC in 6 months


    These phony DCC's(not all of them) are a major culprit in screwing up the H1B as well as the Perm process.



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  • Hassan11
    04-07 04:14 PM
    Yes Lasantha. I am at NSC.

    It seems from that USCIS is approving 2003 and 2004 and in April touched couple 2005 PDs with no particular order and without paying attention to RD. high priority is oldest PDs (2003 & 2004) that were stuck in Name Check and now in April since 2005 PD is current, it seems that they touched few of them too.

    good luck to both TSC and NSC

    Are you NSC Hassan?





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  • shana04
    03-17 12:28 AM
    My Indian passport is about to expire in Oct 2009. Is there step by step instructions available on IV forums for filling in the online form for passport renewal on Indian Consulate - Chicago website.

    Thanks.

    http://chicago.indianconsulate.com/Passpins.html



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  • sobers
    06-07 01:40 PM
    House GOP threatens to �blue-slip� bill (The Hill)

    By Jonathan Allen

    Lawmakers are shrouding themselves in a thin slip of blue paper as deep divisions on immigration policy are again being laid bare.

    House Republicans have threatened to deliver a �blue slip� rejection of the Senate immigration bill, and Senate Democrats are blocking efforts to circumvent that maneuver.

    The result is a procedural paralysis that has prevented the two chambers from even naming conference negotiators, a clear sign of the difficulties facing proponents of an immigration overhaul.

    The Senate-written immigration bill contains tax provisions, violating the Constitution�s requirement that all revenue measures originate in the House. Any House member could object to the Senate bill on that basis, forcing debate and a vote on whether to reject the measure outright.

    Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas (R-Calif.) is considered the most likely to raise such an objection, but any number of House conservatives would be happy to kill the Senate bill. To avoid that fate, Senate Republican leaders want to bring up a separate House-passed tax bill, gut it and replace its provisions with the Senate immigration bill. But Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has objected to that maneuver.

    Reid said he is concerned that using a House-passed tax vehicle could invite the introduction of unrelated tax cuts into House-Senate conference negotiations. If President Bush wants progress on the bill, he should tell House Republicans, �Don�t raise the blue-slip issue,� Reid said.

    But Republicans say the problem is Reid, not the blue slip.

    �Unfortunately, the minority leader over there, Harry Reid, continues to stand in the way,� House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said yesterday. �I think he ought to quit playing politics.�

    As lawmakers engaged a new round of finger-pointing yesterday, one thing remained clear: The immigration bill is stuck.

    Conservative Republicans are dead-set against the Senate bill, which would beef up border security, establish a temporary-worker program and allow many of the 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the country now to become citizens eventually.

    The House version focuses solely on border security, and many House Republicans say the Senate bill would grant amnesty to millions of immigrants who broke the law to get here.

    But proponents of the Senate bill say the blue-slip threat is merely a distraction, one of a number of tools the bill�s critics could use to thwart its progress if they chose to do so. If the will exists to strike a deal, they say, procedural roadblocks will not be a problem.

    �Some technical blue slip is not going to stop any resolution that we come to,� Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a chief proponent of the Senate bill, said yesterday. �Let�s not get caught up in the minutiae and the weeds.�

    McCain was among the leaders of a bipartisan core of senators who struck a deal on the immigration bill and then shepherded it through the Senate last month. Sixty-two senators, most of them Democrats, voted for the final bill.

    The legislation drew harsh criticism from Senate conservatives, many of whom voted against it. Even if Reid were to allow GOP leaders to move forward, there is no guarantee that Republican senators would not use procedural weapons to stop action.

    Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) tried to kill the bill on its first trip through the Senate.

    Sessions sent a �Dear Colleague� letter yesterday in which he urged colleagues to study the details of the immigration bill, particularly the number of legal immigrants it would allow into the country in future years.

    �It remains deeply flawed,� he wrote.

    Republicans hinted yesterday that they have other options for getting around the blue-slip problem.

    �There�s always a Plan B,� said Eric Ueland, chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.).

    In 2000, House and Senate leaders circumvented a similar problem by appointing �shadow� conferees to a bankruptcy bill and attaching their work product to the conference report on a separate bill, according to Walter J. Oleszek�s Congressional Procedures and the Policy Process.

    But alternatives and timelines were in short supply yesterday.

    �Things can break loose at any time,� Ueland said.





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  • Slumdog
    01-22 06:27 PM
    Coming to point, in my previous blog �Peace of mind � Do you have?� the whole purpose of writing that story detailing every minute & every hour is I want people to come out of comfort zone & see the reality. There are lot of people who live in comfort zone & when I say comfort zone all they care is they have a job, paying bills on time, enjoying weekends with family, vacation etc. I want them to come out of this comfort zone & see the reality out there & that is the reason I tried my best to put out my story in detail so I want people to imagine in my shoes for 1 min & think of what they would be doing if they have to face this situation tomorrow so they can better prioritize & plan accordingly. I have written this �Peace of mind topic� keeping in mind for both who bought houses & also those who did not buy house because not having a house will not put anyone in comfortable position when a job is lost.

    I was under assumption after I finished & posted my article that people will take my experience & take a quick look at their priorities & be prepared but instead I have seen some comments like �bullshitting, Bollywood Melodrama, Cribbing, loan defaulter�s, fools, pretent to be shell shocked, overly optimistic etc but I failed to understand that how these comments are going help others ( I know your intentions were good ) instead my whole point of writing has become useless because some wants to target only the original poster & neglecting the actual content. To clarify few things let me explain on some serious concerns raised by others on why I bought a house in first place & as I said in this article this belongs to people who bought houses by mid 2008 & before. My simple answer would be �good quality of life� & I know that this wont suffice you & it might lead to another negative debate. So let me explain in detail.

    I have been in this country Since 2000 & I have seen & survived previous recession so I know what it�s like. I was also present in NY city when 9/11 happened & I have to go through what every asian looking went through those tough period & believe me it was not easy. I also survived NY Blackout spending the whole night at port autority. The reason I am saying all this I am not a new comer to this country & I have seen both good times & worst so I know deep inside that whatever decisions I take I am not just taking for sake of it & neither did I buy house as soon as I came so I can gain equity. Now after all this 8 years & moving two Jobs & shifted to California in 2005 on a full time job my priority date is still now 2007 EB3 after so many years. When I shifted to California in 2005 on fulltime job I would have bought a house but I didn�t because of several reasons like many of you 1) i was not able to afford 2) My wife moved to H4(worked on H1 in NY) at that time. It is only after my wife got EAD in july fiasco & after she got a Job we started looking for house in beginning of 2008. My H1 was approved & stamped on January 2008 & I know for sure that I will be in this country for next years & we also have a EAD . Now that we have Dual Income & market has come down slow low & no one can predict when it will reach bottom we started looking for bargain foreclosures houses.

    The only reason we want to buy a affordable house is to give a good quality of Life, stability & good neighbourhood for my daughter ( actually born in September ). So here you have two options either you choose to be in rented place & pay almost same amount in good neighborhoods for what you pay in mortage or you start looking for a house for affordable house & mortgage in good neighbourhood. I chose the later as the only downside is I have to pay that 10-15% downpayment & I was willing to take the risk as I knew I am here for sometime. Now for the current 30 yr fixed mortage payment is only 300$ more than what I used to pay for rent. Little did anyone know during early January that major financial companies will file for bankruptcy. It is only in late 2008 when Lehman failed & the actual crash started to happen & market collapsed which lead into recession.

    So imagine even if I did not buy a house & had that down payment with me, the fact that loosing a job will not put me into comfortable position even if I had a GC. The least it would help is pay bills for few months without a job & I am sure all those people who did not buy houses didn�t plan to live on their savings until market gets back. I also mentioned in previous article �is it easy to leave everything behind? Yes if you want & No if you want to fight� & I said No, I want to fight. I mentioned that I did have some reserves & I have many backup plans even incase of worst scenario. I was merely pointing out that it was one of my worry but I did not mention anywhere that I am bankrupt. Also since my wife was on EAD now we were confident that atleast one of us will find Job sooner than later

    So the notion that people who bought houses without a GC are dumb, fools, morons & all other filthy language against these people should change. As every individual is different & everyone has their own priorities & life style they chose to Live. Also people who came here ( highly skilled ) know what they are doing & some take calculate risks & some chose to lead simple life. No one should dictate others life on how they should live their life. Again I read somewhere interesting that there is very thin line between stupidity & guts & ultimately it is the person who take decisions will have to face the consequences (good or bad). So guys� buying a house is not choosing happiness for material things, at least not for me. You need not associate all the people who bought a house are trying to live American dream at whatever cost.

    So guys/gals I sincerely believe that you did nothing wrong & should not be ashamed if you have bought a house because that is the quality of life you chose to live. The worst anything could happen is you will sell all this & go back to your country but not empty handed. You will go back with your assets ( lovely wife, children & skills you gained ) & these assets will help you shine wherever you are. You can also proudly tell your children & grand children that you never had to live pathetic life in America & you have always lived American dream in America.

    I will end this by telling a very short story.

    Back in 2002 one of my colleagues daughter who was 10 yrs at that time immigrated to USA. After living for few days one day she asked her mother �Mama have we become poor� The reason the girl was asking was back in home country in their village they used to live in big bungalow with 4 bedrooms, big backyard, two cars, so many friends, maids etc� but when she came here she was living in Single bedroom, No backyard, No Car at that time & no friends sadly. The answer to her daughter question can be given in two ways, 1) no baby we are richer than before as we now have more bank balance or 2) give her a good quality life style which you can afford & that means nice community, friends, decent house etc what ever makes you & your family happy. ( it is also possible in rented community ) but again that�s what I meant by choosing their own lifestyle.


    Finally I did not buy a house because of material benefit, ego, equity etc. Home Owners should be ashamed if they don�t have proper justification on why they bought the house in first place & I know deep in my heart that I did nothing wrong & I am still & always be happy as long as I am in my own house.

    Thank You ��. Slumdog



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  • GCBy3000
    02-02 03:16 PM
    Big contribution. This should motivate others.

    I have sent my $20 through my bank. It should reach IV with memo gvby3000.

    Let us keep on doing what we can. One day we will win. NEVER GIVE UP and NEVER DISCOURAGE IV.

    Donated $500 today per my promise. Paypal ID #2863392354669581P

    Apologies for posting this update on the wrong thread couldn't find the right one.





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  • das0
    05-17 08:41 AM
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  • Ramba
    09-25 05:25 PM
    No. It was changed in the middle of 2008. The DOS consulted with the Congress on this and came to the conclusion that there should be horizontal spillover before vertical. I don't want to go into whether this was right or wrong, fair or not. This is the current policy.

    You can see ample evidence in the annual visa allocation once you compare 2005/2006/2007/2008 allocations. EB3-ROW and EB3-ICMP benefited till 2007 because of vertical spillover and EB2-I & EB2-C have been the beneficiaries of the horizontal spillover policy since 2008.

    It is not the policy of DOS or USCIS to follow horizontal or vertical spill over. It is law. Both federal agencies (DOS and USCIS) has to obey the law by strictly following what INA section 201, 202 and 203 says, irrespective of how the law is unfair to any catagory. The law is very clear about spillover; it is horizontal. One has to read word by word in the law book to understand how the allocation of EB visas are made.

    If DOS properly followed the INA as amended by AC21 act in 2000, EB2-I never retrogressed since year 2005. EB2 I might have been always “current”. EB3 including ROW might have been much worst situation than now. EB3-IN would have beeen (always) be in disaster state since 2001. Though it is unfair to (EB3) many, this is what the law. Here is the historical events what happened in EB catagories.

    In later part of 1990s EB categories were retrogressed for IN, CH by about 2 years. When AC21 law passed in 2000, it did two very important things. One recapture of about 216,000 EB visas and it removed country quota in each EB category if excess visas available, in that category. That means it enforced horizontal spill over. In simple example, consider Mexico which is most subscribing country. Lets assume in a fiscal year, 40,000 Mexican are eligible for EB2 visa(and no other citizens in EB2), and millions of Mexican eligible for EB3 and in family based categories, still DOS should issue 40,000 (100% not 7%) EB2 visa to Mexicans irrespective of how much demand in other categories. Because of tons of backlogs in 485 (between 2000 and 2004), particularly in EB3, DOS issued about 185000 (out of 216000) to EB3. That’s why EB3 was current between 2000 and 2004. They simply ignored the EB2 demand by India and retrogressed in 2005, though total demand for EB2 less than the available pool of recaptured visas. Since the year 2007, they realized the mistake and now (since 2007) they are following correctly (though may not fair to EB3) the law. If they follow correctly the law, EB2-IN, Ch will become current soon. Till all EB2 become current, EB3 never see any spill over. Till EB3 –ROW become current, EB3 IN will not see any spill over. Till that point EB3-In will get only 2800 (7% od 40,000) EB3 visas per year.

    EB3 folks should thank to DOS for misallocation of EB visas between 2000 and 2006, particularly between 2004 and 2006. Now they are exactly following the law book. As title of this thred eays IV help or heavy lobbying is need to change the law to bring back vertical spillover, to ease the EB3-IN clog. They need to work hard.





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  • Amma
    11-22 04:41 PM
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  • jambapamba
    07-11 07:57 PM
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  • amitjoey
    01-18 12:48 PM
    Well I am one of those guys who visits immigrationvoice almost on a daily basis and benefit a lot, but never bothered to even think about making a contribution.
    The reason behind this is not so much a matter of not wanting to contribute, but just a preconceived notion of "What difference can my contribution make".
    Your post is certainly an eye opener.
    We complain so much about the lack of a quick turnaround for our issues, yet expect someone else to work to resolve the problem, while shamelessly hoping to benefit from the resolution with zero participation in the efforts.
    Sorry IV, for my past indifference. I have started my monthly $20 contribution and hope to increase it in the near future.

    Thankyou lutherpraveen not just for contributing, but being bold and sharing your thoughts. You made a difference already.
    need 896 more members like you.





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  • jnraajan
    01-14 01:16 PM
    Sent my PP for renewal few weeks back and I got it back in 2 weeks.

    For me it looked like SFO is pretty good.
    I applied for my renewal in SFO and got it back in 2 weeks. I also applied for my daugther's PIO card around the same time. Got it back in 3 weeks. SFO seems to be the best





    saimrathi
    07-11 03:34 PM
    This is good news.. hope its true.. any other links to prove this.. waiting till 8/1 is a pain...





    goosetavo
    03-28 07:28 PM
    Looks like we have arranged travel and board for all 4 IV folks traveling from WA. Yeah!
    How are the rest of you doing?



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